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Podcast: The Gettys’ Favorite Christmas Hymns (Keith and Kristyn Getty)

December 09, 2024 by: Crossway

This article is part of the The Crossway Podcast series.

Music to Carry with You Throughout Your Life

In this episode, Keith and Kristyn Getty talk about their deep appreciation for classic hymns, share their favorite Christmas hymns, and then perform each one right here on The Crossway Podcast.

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00:57 - Sharing the Gospel Through Christmas Hymns

Matt Tully
Keith and Kristyn, thank you so much for joining me today on The Crossway Podcast.

Kristyn Getty
Thanks for having us.

Keith Getty
Glad to be here.

Matt Tully
I’m really excited for our conversation and for the chance to celebrate this Christmas season that we’re in by talking about one of the best things about the season, at least in my book, and that’s Christmas hymns. We’re going to do something really fun in a few minutes. We’re going to have you two share about three of your favorite Christmas hymns, and then we’re going to actually play them so that listeners can experience what it is about those songs that you both love so much. But before we get to those hymns, my guess is that if you were to poll 100 evangelical Christians, a good majority of them would say that even if they don’t say they love hymns, generally speaking, there are at least a couple of Christmas hymns that they just cherish and that just mean so much to them. What do you think it is, Keith, about those classic Christmas hymns that makes them so special for so many of us?

Keith Getty
I think we have to go just a little bit deeper to the deep history of Christmas hymns, and that is that Christmas itself is a story that’s told in songs. It began with four songs, and so all the way through Christian history, from the earliest reinterpretations of the Christmas story and the wonder of the Incarnation, Christians have reenacted those songs. And so songs around Christmas are as old as Christmas themselves. In fact, even if you look at the British history of it, where we come from, they were actually known as the rebel songs. So, for example, before the Bible was available in the English language, the one time of the year people were allowed to sing in English was actually around the Christmas season, where they could sing these songs, telling the story of Christmas, telling the story of the Bible. And similarly, when the Puritans began to enact a lot of strict rules about what you could or couldn’t do in church services, dancing, would you believe, the only time of year you did that was at these slightly rebellious groups at Christmas. And so the word carol is actually a French dance, which actually comes from those people who were slightly rebelling against the Puritans. But the point of it is that they are as old as Christmas itself and it’s very endemic for that. So it means the art is true; the art is authentic. It’s attracted the greatest artists in history, whether it’s folk art or whether it’s classical art. And so we have, honestly, just extraordinarily great hymns and then an extraordinarily deep tradition, so that at Christmas time it is possible to see carols in Hollywood movies, in high street stores that have nothing to do with Christianity (phrases from them), because that’s what great art does.

Kristyn Getty
I think early on in our hymn writing, carols really inspired us because one of the things we get excited about is trying to set lyrics and melodies that create a hymn that people might be able to carry with them throughout their life.

Keith Getty
One of the big challenges was we were now one generation into the modern worship movement. And so there wasn’t really a taste in our generation, or even an understanding, for hymns. And so I had the privilege of working with Stuart Townend and with Kristyn in writing hymns, and they’re both English graduates who love stories. Most of our conversations revolved around great stories, whether it be the novels our kids were reading, great old stories of the past, and they’re both great storytellers. With Stuart and I with “In Christ Alone,” with Kristyn and I with all the stuff that we were writing, for Christmas and other seasons, we were trying to tell stories in imaginative ways. And I think the Christmas carols really do that well, don’t they?

Kristyn Getty
Oh, absolutely. Some of the best stories. And they’ve become the lead Bible storytellers of the season. And again, it’s a testimony to how music gets into places that other things don’t. They connect to people even in such deep ways, if they’re not tracking with the depth of everything that’s being sung, there’s something about them. And so it’s just a phenomenal opportunity to communicate the things that are true about Christmas in the songs that people sing. And also the importance of repeating. Year by year we may get to Christmas and think, What are some of the new songs? We’re trying to write new hymns all the time—

Keith Getty
We try to write one every year.

Kristyn Getty
Always. But they should never replace the best of what we have. There’s something so significant about year after year repeating these so that they become part of people’s lives through all the different seasons of a little child excited about opening presents in the morning and an older person who’s struggling to work out how to get out of bed in the morning on Christmas day. And these songs speak to both, and I think that’s exciting.

Keith Getty
It’s a great point because, again, when you “repeat the sounding joy,” to take the Christmas phrase itself, you find in a Christmas hymn, number one, the singing is better; number two, people know the songs for their whole lives; and number three, they think about their meaning in more profound ways, and they emotionally interact with it more. Christmas is actually a challenge to us for all seasons. In one of the early years of the Christmas tour, we had this campaign of why don’t we try to do the rest of the year what we do with Christmas? Because if you’re a pastor or a speaker or a preacher or a Christian leader, if you’re a parent or a grandparent, if you’re a teacher, part of our responsibility is to give people hymns that they carry with them their whole lives, because it is just so healthy for them as well.

Matt Tully
Kristyn, a minute ago you mentioned family and kids. I think for me as a parent, there’s something about singing Christmas hymns with my kids that’s just part of what makes that season so special. My wife and I had the privilege of attending one of your Christmas concerts this last year in Wheaton, and I have to say that watching all three of my kids sing those songs together, it moved my wife and me to tears. I know you both are very passionate about helping children and families learn the great hymns of our faith, the great Christmas carols of our faith, and sing them together. Why is that such a passion for both of you?

Kristyn Getty
I talked about how at Christmastime there’s a lot of nostalgia around it, and some of that can be really good and lovely and some of it can actually be very, very hard. Nostalgia can bring an emptiness, it can bring deep sorrow. And so I think what’s exciting for the form of the carol and the songs we sing every year is that even if it conjures up these nostalgic feelings, it’s attached to something so deep that reaches to us—whatever age we are and however we’re feeling, whatever season we’re walking through, whether good or bad. And so we’re providing something which not only can become part of the beautiful fabric of the Christmas experience and all the feels, but has this deep, rich content that you can enjoy as a little child and as an older person. You can carry these throughout your entire life. I love seeing children come to the concerts and knowing those songs, but even just humming certain parts of it, because I think it’s a long-term investment in their lives—something that they hear a little bit of whenever they’re five or six. I watch it with my girls, now that we’ve done this Christmas tour for fifteen years I think, and so they’re all at different levels of understanding. Our six-year-old is catching a little bit, and our thirteen-year-old now knows so many of them just from the experience of having gone through that journey over many years. And they’re the sorts of songs that they’ll probably continue to sing long after they ever want to come and hear their parents sing, which is coming.

Keith Getty
Faster than we thought, actually.

Kristyn Getty
But I think because they’re storytelling songs, as Keith said, it takes you through the story, and I think the carols do a great job of not just taking you through the Christmas story but taking you through the big narrative of the Bible story. A lot of them dig right into Old Testament prophecies and Old Testament verses and take you right through and often give you a vision of heaven and the second coming of Christ. And so it gives kids this massive arc, this big meta narrative that the Scriptures give us in these carols, and you don’t always get that in some of the rest of the hymns throughout the rest of the year. So it’s a huge opportunity. Also a lot of the traditional carols are melodies that not only are easy to sing, but are wonderful to sing. You enjoy them. They’re fun, and they’re great for harmonies. And so I think you can really pull on the family aspect of that to great levels that help encourage kids to sing generally. It’s just really positive.

09:12 - “Come, Thou Long Expected Jesus” and “O Come, O Come Emmanuel”

Matt Tully
I know that’s one of your dreams and hopes for this new hymnal that we’re working on together—Crossway and Getty Music—that comes out next year, in 2025. Your hope is that it’s a resource that parents and families and children can use together, not just something for a church service, although it can be used there as well. So let’s get into your top three Christmas hymns. And I’m sure picking hymns for two hymn writers like yourselves is kind of like picking between your children and maybe feels a little unfair. But if you had to pick your top three hymns—

Keith Getty
We didn’t produce these. These are other people’s hymns. So it’s not quite the same. It’s like picking our favorite other people’s children.

Matt Tully
That’s right.

Kristyn Getty
The issue is only making it three. You love things in threes, Keith. You’ll feel good about this.

Keith Getty
It’s a biblical number. One, three, seven, twelve, forty, or 144,000.

Matt Tully
There are so many good hymns, and I know we’re in the process right now of determining which hymns even go in the hymnal. And even with many more options, it can be hard to narrow that down. So let’s start with number three. What is the name of the hymn, and what are the things that it does better than most that make you love it?

Kristyn Getty
One of the carols I was going to mention was “Come, Thou Long Expected Jesus.” There are many reasons I love it. Part of it is what we were speaking to before. I love the breadth of the story it introduces. I love how it connects the Old Testament with the coming of Christ. I just love the majestic nature of it, the grandness of it. For us, though, one other reason that I love it is that I think it’s one of the first moments that the congregation really stands up and sings during the Irish Christmas show. Wouldn’t that be right?

Keith Getty
Yes. In the second half. The first half is like an Irish party, and the second half is like a sixty minute, nine lessons in carols.

Kristyn Getty
We’ll do “Silent Night” in the first, but this is the first one where I can say, “Everyone, let’s stand up and let’s sing this together.”

Keith Getty
It’s like the service proper.

Kristyn Getty
I love that moment. There’s a visible rise as well as an audible one. And people love to sing that song. I love the melody. I love what the band play. I absolutely love it.

Keith Getty
Is that your third choice? Is this like bronze, silver, gold? Is that how we’re doing this?

Matt Tully
This is your bronze Christmas carol. Keith, do you have a favorite?

Keith Getty
I’m going to have to match her at bronze, and I’m going to go Advent. Since she went Advent, I’ll go Advent as well. I would say “Veni, Veni, Emmanuel,” “O Come, O Come, Emmanuel.” There are very few pieces of music that really feel like onomatopoeic pieces of music. In other words, they sound like both the lyric and the emotion. We talked with the guys from Crossway earlier today about “Holy, Holy, Holy” being a good example of that, and I think “O Come, O Come, Emmanuel” is similar. Obviously, the text was a Latin text going right back to the seventh century, but the melody that we adapted was from the fifteenth century and it’s actually a French melody. And French music has always had an element of mystery right through all their creative arts. This melody does that. And so I love that. The sense of the mystery and the anticipation just are perfectly matched in the music. I love the way it goes, as Kristen said earlier, it goes through the Old Testament. So you get this Rod of Jesse, you get dayspring. You’re taking people through the whole story of Jesus, which only begins to make sense when you’ve done that. It’s such an interesting thing that in the traditional churches, we spend most of the time on Advent and just a little bit on Christmas. And obviously with this generation, we don’t like to wait for anything, so we spend a little tiny bit on Advent and lots of time on Christmas. And so I think it really does allow us to do that. And the chorus is amazing. As a songwriter, it’s just amazing how that melody sounds right everywhere. It sounds right if it’s monks singing unaccompanied. It sounds right with an organ. It sounds right in the Royal Albert Hall with an orchestra. It sounds right with rock bands, with metal bands, with Americana singers and a slide guitar. It just doesn’t matter. It’s just so perfect.

Kristyn Getty
There’s a little texture of darkness through it, which also sort of connects with the realities of life and the rawness of human emotion. It’s not just happy, cheery.

Keith Getty
There just isn’t enough church music today that I think has got that sense of darkness.

Kristyn Getty
It carries the longing with it.

Keith Getty
That’s right. It’s amazing. So that’s my bronze.

Matt Tully
Let’s listen to that song right now.

14:33 - “Thou Who Was Rich Beyond All Splendor” and “Brightest and Best”

Matt Tully
Keith, what’s your second favorite Christmas hymn—the one that you would give the silver award to? And what is it about that hymn that you love?

Keith Getty
Well, I’ll pick “Thou Who Was Rich Beyond All Splendor All for Love’s Sake Becamest Poor.” John and Betty Stam were missionaries in their twenties, published writers in their early twenties, left for China, and were martyred for the cause of the faith. And then—

Kristyn Getty
Frank Houghton.

Keith Getty
Frank Houghton, who was an Anglican bishop, to try and encourage the people—like the prayer in Philippians: “Christ, who made himself nothing, taking on the nature of a servant”—he paraphrased that into this hymn. “Thou who was rich beyond all splendor, all for love’s sake became as poor.” I can never sing the hymn without thinking something of that story. I think it’s extra poignant for a couple of reasons today. First of all, John Stam’s hymn collection was given to his brother, who then gave it to his great nephew, who then bequeathed it to us. We have lots of hymn books that belonged to the Stam family, and in some ways, this hymnal we’re doing today is an extension of a gift that was given to me by that Stam family, and the importance of singing in hymns and just the vital importance it is to our spiritual health.

Kristyn Getty
And we’ve used that hymn in the Christmas concerts towards the end as a meditation on why has this happened? Why has he come? It moves the story along to the cross and what that means for us. And so in my mind, it became a moment where we were trying to reach a little bit more deeply into the people that are gathered. Christmas concerts and the Christmas season bring so many people into churches and concert halls to hear the gospel and the Christmas carols that might not otherwise hear it throughout the rest of the year, and so it’s wonderful how these carols become such a missional opportunity. We have used that one to try and move into that place. We do a mixture of lessons and carols and Bible readings that tell the whole story, and that’s usually a very poignant moment where we take a breath that’s quieter and we really try to reach the depths of people’s souls with that song.

Keith Getty
It’s stunning. Would you believe that it’s another French melody? Quelle est cette odeur agréable. “Whence Is That Goodly Fragrance” is the name of the folk tune that they set it to. But I think the biggest thing is, and we think about this when we think about the Christ child who came for the nations and who these wise men and Gentiles came to visit, we think about where China was in the 1920s and 1930s, and the promise of the Red Army to eradicate Christianity from the country, and there being 700,000 believers at the time left, and their determination to get rid of all of them. And today, depending on who we speak to, is there 75 million, is there 100 million, is there 125 million Christians in China today because of the faithfulness of some of these people? And it’s just extraordinary. It really is. It puts shame to the patheticness of our own small ambitions and small daily concerns sometimes when you think about that radical witness of those people. So that’s a great hymn.

Matt Tully
Keith, one of the things that I’ve noticed every time I’ve had a conversation with you or been part of a meeting with you is how quickly you do go to some of the stories behind these great hymns. You know the stories and you clearly have spent years immersed in the history of hymnody. And that’s something that you all want to incorporate, even into this hymnal, where there’s a desire to have some of the backstories of these hymns shared for people to understand a little bit better where they came from. That can add to our enjoyment and understanding of what is happening there. Could you just speak briefly to why those stories are so important?

Keith Getty
In the hymnal, one of the things we felt about hymnals before now is they were very impersonal books. And obviously, we want churches to buy it in bulk and use it in their churches or have it in their pews or for people to own it en masse. But part of this book is that we want
every Christian and every Christian leader to have a copy either in their piano stool or by their desk or by their bedside, because they are such extraordinary devotions. So much of this stuff is by some of the finest poets or represents some of the finest moments in the last twenty centuries of Christendom. There are 400 hymns in this book. Obviously, Kristyn and I are talking about the importance of singing at the start, and the book itself journeys through three liturgies: the liturgy of Christ’s life, of a church service, and then of our life. And we show how all of those things link, and how we put our services and our devotions together is so important. But the other factor, and Kristyn was saying this to me, we were at a service recently in a traditional church, and it is a funny thing that if kids, or people who are yet to believe, are bored during the sermon, they quite often open the hymnal. So the wonderful thing about the The Sing! Hymnal with Crossway is that there are forty pages at the back that take you through ten hymns per page and tell you all these stories. And it’s partly a resource for worship leaders and pastors and parents, but it’s also just something that we want everyone to read, whether you believe or whether you’re yet to believe. And hopefully it shines a fresh light on the wonder that is this incredible gospel story.

Kristyn Getty
That’s one of the reasons why a hymnal is just so important because it places your little small moment or little piece of geography into a much wider scope. And I think that gives us a relief. I think it’s inspiring. I think it just connects us to the church body across the ages and across the world in such a unique way. We can become so narrow so fast where we are, and a hymnal will not let you do that. It keeps on pushing you beyond your own borders and time and spaces and even emotions. Just so much of a hymnal is the songs that you don’t even know you’re going to need yet, because your life is in a particular moment. You’re a little kid, so you’re not necessarily thinking about some of these things, and yet you grow up and they become important to you. Or you’re older and you look back at the children’s section and you go, “Gosh, this is simple enough for a child to understand.” And it has just become sweeter to me as I’ve gotten older. But the importance of reaching back in and understanding it in that childlike wonder that some of the children’s hymns bring. Even if you’re eighty-eight, it’s such an exciting thing that it gives you all of those seasons of life in one space.

Matt Tully
Kristyn, what’s your second favorite Christmas hymn?

Kristyn Getty
“Brightest and Best.” It’s a hymn that I have only become familiar with in the last few years. It was Ricky Skaggs, the great bluegrass singer and mandolin player. He introduced it to us. He joined us in one of the Christmas concerts, and he sang the first verse a capella.

Keith Getty
It was at Carnegie Hall, and he just came on and just sang it unaccompanied in that beautiful room, and it just filled the whole room.

Kristyn Getty
It was just incredible.

Keith Getty
It was spine tingling. I’ll never forget the moment.

Kristyn Getty
It stopped us all in our tracks. It was just amazing. It’s an epiphany hymn. The words are beautiful. The melody is just so achingly beautiful. And so I really wanted to sing it too, and Ricky kindly did a duet with me. One of my best memories, actually, was singing it with him at the Grand Ole Opry.

Keith Getty
You sounded like a cowgirl. You sounded like an American girl.

Kristyn Getty
I had to put my little Southern thing into my Irish thing.

Keith Getty
The Southern drawl was there. She’s eating grits. She’s the whole thing.

Kristyn Getty
But that was a song written by Reginald Heber. He wrote “Holy, Holy, Holy.” I’ve been singing that since I was a little girl. It’s wonderful to find other hymns written by hymn writers you’re already familiar with, but this was a little hidden gem for me. Did you know “Brightest and Best” growing up?

Keith Getty
No. Joanne Hogg from Iona introduced it to me but in a different tune. It was her father, who was a Presbyterian minister in County Antrim, it was her father’s favorite hymn.

Kristyn Getty
It’s “Brightest and Best of the Sons of the Morning,” and it’s beautiful because it is a meditation on the beauty and wonder of Christ. And so it’s just a very poignant moment on that. It doesn’t say too much; it just sort of revels in the beauty and the light now revealed in Christ. And so when we sing it, I just love singing this song.

Keith Getty
Your version of it is just stunning. Kristyn’s version, which she did with Ricky—

Kristyn Getty
I think it’s a song you love to sing. I don’t know why some melodies just feel like I just can’t wait to sing them.

Matt Tully
Let’s listen to “Brightest and Best.”

27:22 - “Once in Royal David’s City” and “In the Bleak Midwinter”

Matt Tully
Okay, Keith, give us your favorite Christmas hymn, the one that you love more than all the others.

Keith Getty
The greatest melodies, the greatest songs are always written by the Irish. And so I’m going to finish with an Irish hymn.

Kristyn Getty
You’re going to go Cecil?

Keith Getty
I’m going to go to Cecil: “Once in Royal David’s City.” The second half of Christmas carol service finishes with “In the Bleak Midwinter,” but it begins every year, like it does since it started in Truro over a hundred years ago, by singing “Once in Royal David’s City.” Cecil Francis Alexander was the wife of the Bishop of Derry who later was the Anglican primate of all Ireland. And she was so concerned, as a young pastor’s wife, at the shallowness of the songs that were being sung by children almost 200 years ago. She was so deeply concerned that she decided to take the Apostle’s Creed, break it down, and write hymns on each subject in the Apostle’s Creed so that children would know and learn about the beauty of the Lord Jesus and what we believe. And so, for example, from “we believe in one God, maker of heaven and earth,” she wrote the hymn “All Things Bright and Beautiful.” That was from that collection called Hymns for Little Children. And the one on "became incarnate, born of a virgin," how do you tell children that? So she did what Kristyn does so well and what all the carols do so well and she told a story. She told a story: “Once in Royal David’s City stood a lonely cattle shed where a mother laid her baby in a manger.” And she relates it to children. “He came down to earth from heaven, who is God and Lord of all, and his shelter was a stable, and his cradle was a stall. With the meek and poor and lonely lived on earth our Savior holy, through all his wondrous childhood.” She likens it to children: “He would honor and obey.” But then she takes it right through the whole story, and finishes with, “Not poor lonely stable, with the auction standing by, we shall see him but in heaven set at God’s right hand and high, when like stars his children crowned, all in white shall wait around.” And so in this one song she takes all the imagery of the Christmas story and tells the whole Christian gospel. And I think for the courage to write hymns that make Christ and his gospel and the truths of the Scriptures so beautiful to so many generations of children, and, of course, just for being Irish as well.

Matt Tully
Okay, Kristyn, we’ve gotten to the gold medal here. What is your favorite Christmas hymn, and why do you love it?

Kristyn Getty
My favorite? Oh my goodness!

Keith Getty
How do you finish every Christmas concert?

Kristyn Getty
“In the Bleak Midwinter,” Christina Rossetti.

Keith Getty
Women write all the best hymns, don’t they?

Kristyn Getty
Women write all the best hymns. But you know what’s really interesting in this song?

Keith Getty
And “Magnificat,” was it?

Kristyn Getty
Yes, “Magnificat” was also a woman, yes. But what’s amazing with “In the Bleak,” and just on that topic, Christina Rossetti was writing this at a time when education wasn’t a given for young ladies. They wouldn’t have had the same access as the men, nor would they have the same access to livelihood and employment. And so it’s interesting when she comes to that last verse—“If I were a wise man . . . if I were a shepherd . . . but such as I am, I bring my heart”—that wonderful conclusion that even at that time with all the things that were going on culturally—the gains and the losses, whatever it is—that the beauty and glory and gift that is Christ is just so superior to anything at any time. And she resonates deeply with that at the end of this hymn. And so that’s the best line: “What can I give him? I give my heart.” And it’s so simple as well, and then I love the poetry of it. I think with the Christmas carols there’s greater license for poetry and imagery and a little more mystery, which I just love that. And then a few years ago we took “In the Bleak” and we added a new chorus to it inspired by a “Simeon’s Song,” the Nunc dimittis, and built a whole chorus to a classic melody, which I have forgotten.

Keith Getty
It was Dvořák’s “Ninth Symphony.”

Kristyn Getty
I’ve really enjoyed being able to add a little to that and take it to some new musical spaces and lyrical spaces as a result. I think that’s been great for the last few years.

Keith Getty
The second half of the Christmas show, as you’ve been to it, is a sixty-minute reduction of the nine lessons in carol. Some of the readings are just two or three lines, but it carries the whole story. For every concert, for as long as I can remember, after the eighth lesson, Kristyn sings “In the Bleak Midwinter,” and then it leads into Kristyn reading John 1. And occasionally we’ll have a guest speaker—everyone from Tim Keller to John Piper and Alistair Begg have all joined us for that—and sometimes done the eighth lesson as a meditation. Then Kristyn sings “In the Bleak Midwinter,” then she reads John 1 (from the ESV, I might add). And then we go and do “In Christ Alone” and “O Come, All Ye Faithful,” and then it’s a Christmas celebration at the end. I couldn’t do Christmas without it, I don’t think. That version of it is so extraordinarily special. And there is an amazing thing with hymns that I think there is a touch that some of the great female writers brought to hymns that, candidly, the male writers just can’t do. Charles Wesley could not have written something with that kind of emotional expression; he just couldn’t have. So I think this is a wonderful thing as well.

Kristyn Getty
It’s a testament to the fact that you need all types of writers to write for the church. They bring a little something different every time. Another great reason why a hymnal is so important is because the voicings are so full of variety that they just give us different perspectives, which is great.

Keith Getty
Yeah, that’s the thing. Even in these six carols we’ve looked at, I think that represents music or music or text from ten different countries and quite a number of different centuries—I think about eight different centuries. It’s amazing. So that’s the beauty of it, isn’t it? It gives us that humility that we need as Christians. But also for the outsiders who are increasingly suspicious of marketed Christianity, packaged Christianity, or that Christianity is really just an outgrowth of Western imperialism or whatever. Actually, no, this is a story that has been going on for a very long time. In each generation we just have to have the humility to stand on the shoulders of the previous one and learn from them.

Kristyn Getty
And continue to be sung.

33:59 - When Engineering and Bible Translation Collide

Matt Tully
Let’s end this interview, then, as you do at your concerts, by listening to “In the Bleak Midwinter.” Keith and Kristyn, thank you so much for sharing a little bit about your work as hymn writers and about the Christmas hymns that mean the most to you. We so appreciate it and look forward to seeing this incredible hymnal project come to fruition in the fall of 2025.

Kristyn Getty
Thank you so much.

Keith Getty
Thanks for the time.

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